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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

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  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Yes, "Nowwhat?," and as Wikipedia reminds us, "The "Time of the End" of Daniel 12:4 is identified as beginning in October 1799—when Napoleon invaded Egypt and ended the power of the papacy—and closing in 1914, at which point violent worldwide revolution would mark the end of the old world order and the beginning of a new one."

  I like calling JW.org a "lifestyle religion." Like the snakes they are they will shed their doctrinal skin, especially in regard to the sadly mistaken former leaders of the borganization - Russell, Rutherford, Knorr/Franz - and morph into something that would be unrecognizable to those "inspired" men prior to the 21st century. Their phoney-baloney jobs and their parasitism DEMAND it.

  I think it is possible that JW.org will conveniently "forget" about 1919 and their "Jesus selected ME for his team" doctrine. They will find a new prevarication to use as "evidence" that they are the "one true religion," although I can't imagine what that new lie might be.
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  When JW.org drops 607BCE...

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  probably everyone else thought of this long ago, but i, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.. we all know that since the year zero (on the fredfranzian calendar) the wtb&ts has defied archaeology and insisted that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 bce is a more likely date.

  in fact, the book "the gentile times reconsidered: have jehovah's witnesses been wrong all along about 607 bce?

  " by carl olof jonsson and rud persson made this conversation public.. it is a difference of 20 years.

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  Nathan Natas

  Probably EVERYONE else thought of this long ago, but I, being an "independent thunker" thunk of it just a coupla weeks ago.

  We all know that since the year zero (on the FredFranzian calendar) the WTB&TS has defied archaeology and insisted that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 BCE, even though the physical evidence shows that 587 BCE is a more likely date. In fact, the book "The Gentile Times Reconsidered: Have Jehovah's Witnesses Been Wrong All Along About 607 BCE?" by Carl Olof Jonsson and Rud Persson made this conversation public.

  It is a difference of 20 years. If the WTB&TS drops their adherence to 607 BCE, then the "Bible-based arithmetic" moves the "critical" year 1914 forward 20 years, to 1934, which is exactly what the rumor mills are saying will happen. Now we know why the date 1934 will gain prominence: the WTB&TS will announce "new light" declaring that crackpot Freddy Franz was wrong and the archeologists were right after all.

  But you knew that...
  
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  The Meaning of ETC

  by titch in

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  folks: i don't mean to be a "forum grammar policeman", but there is something that i've noticed a few times.

  i've noticed that a few---not all---but some, members of the forum who use the abbreviation "ect" when they want to use the abbreviation of "etc.

  " for your education today, the term "etc" is the abbreviation for the latin term "et cetera.

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  For those who employ and enjoy ECT

  
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Sinner's Prayer

  by NotFormer in

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  i've noted before certain similarities between jws and independent fundamentalist baptists, such as door to door work.

  the ifbs call it "soul winning".

  the goal is usually to give a quick tour of a few bible verses, get the householder to "repeat after me" a formulaic prayer confessing faith in jesus.

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  I gotta give it to ya,Vanderhoven7, you did it! You revealed the "salvation by dying soon" doctrine. Well done!
  
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  Thoughts on annual meeting “new light”

  by FFGhost in

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  so, i finally saw the annual meeting video part 2.. this is the one with the “new light” on who might survive armageddon, vs. those who do not.. in summary, for those of you fortunate enough not to have to sit through it, it’s something like this:.

  old light: once the “great tribulation” starts, that’s it for non-jws.

  the “door of the ark” is closed.

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  I concur. Great minds think alike; I posted a similar thought in another thread before I read your earlier thoughts here, FFGhost. I did not plagiarize you. Yours is the better comment.
  
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  Governing Body shuts down Hong Kong Branch

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  https://youtu.be/4g5yx133h_y?si=4lhljyrnyk05k2bh.

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  I think Diogenesister is on the right track. If the anal polyp known as Xi Jinping decides to exercise his psychopathy, things in the PRC's immediate neighborhood could become difficult for unapproved ideas and organizations. Moving the BORG staff to Korea protects them. As for JWs who live in Hong Kong, the GB will inform them that they are on their own.
  
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  Jehovah's Witnesses Sinner's Prayer

  by NotFormer in

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  i've noted before certain similarities between jws and independent fundamentalist baptists, such as door to door work.

  the ifbs call it "soul winning".

  the goal is usually to give a quick tour of a few bible verses, get the householder to "repeat after me" a formulaic prayer confessing faith in jesus.

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  It seems to me that this "new light" doctrine of last-minute salvation kind of lets the air out of the only (if there's another, according to Watchtower mythology, enlighten me) "WORK" by which the individual *might* earn her personal salvation. A half-century ago (yeah, I was there) this required THOUSANDS of hours of door knocking, conducting free home Watchtower studies, with the goal og getting the sucker to sign on the bottom line and dedicate her life to The Watchtower.

  "Hot patootie, bless my soul, I really love that rock n' roll!"
  
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  JWs And Superstitions

  by NotFormer in

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  prompted by a mention in a different thread.. cracks in the sidewalk, a pinch of salt over the shoulder, black cats🐈‍⬛; do jws have such superstitious beliefs.

  are they allowed to?

  would they be counselled if the elders became aware?.

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  My favorite among the collection of dumb superstitions common to Jehovah's Witnesses and JW(dot)ORG is the one about a gigantic invisible alien from the Alcyone sector who makes Thanos and Zenu look like underweight schoolboys. This alien, they will tell you, is the Universal Sovereign.

  
  
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  Former Jehovah's Witness admits: We targeted grief-stricken as 'ripe fruit'

  by Londo111 in

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  http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/80708572/former-jehovahs-witness-admits-we-targeted-grief-stricken-as-ripe-fruit.

  jehovah's witnesses target grief and see the recently bereaved as "ripe fruit" for conversion, a former elder of the faith says.. vince and michele tylor​ spoke out after reading the story of wellington woman jean sergent-shadbolt, who received a handwritten letter from a jehovah's witness three months to the day after her step-cousin, friend and flatmate died.. a current senior elder of the faith says it has no policy to target grieving, and those who do so are acting on their own initiative.

  however, he concedes such people may feel guided by jehovah's witness literature.. but vince tylor said he knew of members who would trawl though obituaries to find grieving people, or visit cemeteries.. "not only do we see watchtower printed material suggesting and supporting writing letters from obituaries such as what jean received, but we even have reports and articles of encouragement for jws to go to cemeteries to look for people as well.".

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  I have to speak up: this is painting with a very broad brush. OK some asshole JWs did this, but not all; not even most. A minority of uber-"spiritual" half-wits who were probably sociopathic with little compassion or empathy.

  I was a pioneer and MS during the late 1960s/early 1970s. I never once thought of doing anything like this.
  
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  Are You Raising An Introvert?

  by darth frosty in

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  its not easy being an introvert in an extrovert worldespecially when youre a kid.

  it is even more difficult if none of the adults in the kids life recognize that the child is an introvert.

  this doesnt happen only when the childs parents are extroverts, but also with introverted parents who have never understood their own introverted nature.. .

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  For 73 years I thought I was introverted. It was only this year that I was able to ask myself this question and once I did SO MUCH of my past became clear; I was able to see the "why" behind many events from my past.

  This revelation was not received with much joy; quite the opposite, but from the moment I first began seeing it, it had the ring of truth.